tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post5432909408610929602..comments2017-03-19T18:47:04.919+05:30Comments on Know Thyself...: No! Animals dont feel pain...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-18212245898776675072012-02-23T17:32:44.297+05:302012-02-23T17:32:44.297+05:30As per your words, you have 'seen' animals...As per your words, you have 'seen' animals react emotionally. Its the way how you constructed the situation in your mind based on some analogies between its reactions and ours. Animals don't have an intellect like ours, what they possess is only an instinct and a store house of learned habits. All their responses to stimuli are based on these two inputs. They don't have memory also. Animals purely live within the present, within the confines of their perceptual reality. They don't form ideas or thoughts or conceptions. The example of a dog avoiding a person who hurts it is just out of habit (after a couple of experiences) and not by use of any level of reasoning.<br /><br />To explain the similarity between us and animals, i used the expressed 'a sharp sensation'. that is felt by both and we have instinctive reactions to it. The 'feeling' of pain is out altogether out of question for them.<br /><br />I am loving these questions, its making my belief more and more clearer :)VNPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218319937302778995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-86917928121531002352012-02-23T14:06:21.191+05:302012-02-23T14:06:21.191+05:30A very interesting question. I've seen animals...A very interesting question. I've seen animals, especially pets react 'emotionally', similar to us.. Like avoiding a certain person after they've been hurt by them a couple of times. Could this behaviour be due to the memory of pain? <br />Also, we avoid stuff like fire, or even bittergourd chutney for example, because we remember uncomfortable past experiences. Not just pain in every circumstance, but dislike or irritation too. On the most basic level, when we take away our spiritual core, our impulses are driven towards pleasure, away from pain - our primal needs are food, water, sleep, procreation. Maybe this holds good for animals as well.Anamika Anyonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09877948742758311817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-30338413617612678382012-02-22T15:46:20.850+05:302012-02-22T15:46:20.850+05:30Consider this - whenever you ask your patients abo...Consider this - whenever you ask your patients about pain.. do you normally ask "do you sense pain" or "do you feel pain"?VNPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218319937302778995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-20445561586206544072012-02-22T15:44:12.081+05:302012-02-22T15:44:12.081+05:30Mandeep ji - So you agreed with the first-half and...Mandeep ji - So you agreed with the first-half and then disagreed with the second-half. What you didn't realize is that the second half is just an inside out look of the first, so basically you disagreed with yourself. :)<br /><br />All pain is mental - the intangible kind. There is no anatomical pain at all. Its all just a sharp bodily reaction. Whenever there is physical injury, it sends out an intense sensation which triggers perceptions in our mind that raise "feelings of pain". The same feeling can be aroused even by reflection or memory (like painful memories, etc). Pain is not a sensation, its a feeling. This feeling part, animals lack.<br /><br />Oh god! a philosopher debating with a doctor on matters of biology. Couldn't be more badly matched than this :)VNPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218319937302778995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-36431483770872704212012-02-22T13:34:15.130+05:302012-02-22T13:34:15.130+05:30oh now that's what you call Controversy at han...oh now that's what you call Controversy at hand ! :)<br />Actually not just me vikas but anybody who reads this post would have something to agree and disagree upon.<br />I loved the first part of the post,you were 100% right when you said humans have 'spirit' and that's what makes us different from animal kingdom. For a minute there i thought that the pain you were talking about is the intangible kind..that kind of pain which we put in the same slot with love or inspiration. That was right i dont think that kind of 'pain' is felt by any other species than us!<br />But then you lost me by the end of post. Animals do feel pain,the pain from the sensory pathways...the 'anatomical' kind,because they have the same neural circuit.And yes they do develop tooth cavities,and have stomachaches and everything else too<br />So the post is beautiful for as long as you say that pain that is woven into and by the conscience is felt only by humans...yes that would be right.Dr Mandeep Khanujahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02805075361099349063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-43643643178520081702012-01-28T20:37:58.321+05:302012-01-28T20:37:58.321+05:30Indrani jee- I too have started realizing that ani...Indrani jee- I too have started realizing that animals do feel pain.. because I realized that human beings are animals too. <br /><br />thanks for visiting my blog.VNPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218319937302778995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-9738064151823523352012-01-28T20:05:13.419+05:302012-01-28T20:05:13.419+05:30Interesting observations. Not sure whether I agree...Interesting observations. Not sure whether I agree with your thoughts... :)I always thought animals do feel pain, the magnitude of pain is different may be.<br /><br />Thanks so much for going through my posts and your wonderful comments. :)Indranihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13097788106899971708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-58078604561495560932012-01-22T16:20:59.943+05:302012-01-22T16:20:59.943+05:30Thanks Raj bhai.Thanks Raj bhai.VNPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218319937302778995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-23906959814351759472012-01-19T18:02:08.806+05:302012-01-19T18:02:08.806+05:30Dude, very interesting thought - I really like the...Dude, very interesting thought - I really like the way you brought the point bout how different their experiences are between animals and humans when they don't brush the teeth - its really a point worth thinking about.<br /><br />I like the thought process that went into this post - I must agree that there are quite a lot of aspects that do warrant a rethink on the points that u brought about..<br /><br />I'm actually thinking if you could be right here... :)<br /><br />Good thought provoking post dude ...:)R-A-Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00054344096373478777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-8703646791516439812012-01-16T22:33:06.275+05:302012-01-16T22:33:06.275+05:30Radha - first of all, thanks for giving value and ...Radha - first of all, thanks for giving value and time to my thoughts. Your detailed response does say a lot and I totally respect your views on this. In fact, I do expect all 'animal lovers' to hit back at me for this. My post is a bit offensive, I agree. If animals could read, I would have been mauled to death by now. :)<br /><br />My response to your answer : I see pain as a combination of two things - a sharp, repulsive sensation coupled with an intense, overwhelming feeling. Depends on how you define pain. If you consider only the first part then yes, animals also have pain. They sense a sharp feeling in the impulsively respond to it. The emotional feeling is missing in them, they dont cry like we do. In the examples that you gave, I see shades of attachment and territoriality that made them behave in that manner. Have you seen animals cry? Not just water coming out of their eyes, but actually crying?VNPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11218319937302778995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6021125461173757104.post-41045845412136933532012-01-16T15:02:25.078+05:302012-01-16T15:02:25.078+05:30Am not sure if man is the only being endowed with ...Am not sure if man is the only being endowed with spiritual soul? I may not be able to talk on behalf of all the animals. But definitely talk for one animal that most houses have as their pets – Dogs. I will just give some examples of the dogs we had at our home. We had nearly 5 dogs (not all at once). The love and the pain they show is no less than human beings. <br />- One of our dogs used to refuse to eat if my mother and father were out of station. He had stayed hungry for 5 days. He would not bear anyone raising their hands and voice on my parents and talk. He would just go and jump on them. <br />- We had a cat also. When one of our dogs died, our cat used to be so low for days, and never get along with the new puppy. She used to go and sit in our dog’s area and not let the puppy move around there<br />- Once when one of the dogs tore a shoe and my father shouted at it, it didn’t eat for the whole day and never responded to anyone at home.<br /><br />There are more examples I can give about dogs, cows, cats, goats, etc that I have known. But because they are tamed by human, may be they behave like us. Not sure about wild animals. May be if human beings were in forest, we would behave like wild animals. Just because they can’t talk or cry like human beings, it doesn’t mean they are not emotional beings. <br /><br />Have you noticed how animals protect their kid… what do you call that feeling??? <br /><br />Animals are innocent creatures. We do not have to do any good to them. But we shouldn’t harm them. May be that’s the message about animal pain and anguish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com